Forbidden Door 2025 pre show

Forbidden Door a chance for AEW and NJPW to come together and see who has the better skills. Nigel McGuiness steps back into the ring challenging Zack Sabre Jr for the IWGP World heavyweight championship, will Nigel overcome one of the best technical wrestlers of all time? The Hurt Syndicate, FTR and Brodido go head to head to head in a 3- way elimination match for the tag team championships. Kyle Fletcher has his first title defense with Hiromu Takahashi challenging him for the TNT championship. "Timeless" Toni Storm goes against Women's Casino gauntlet winner Athena, can the forever ROH Women's champion add another belt to her collection? Newly unified champion Kazuchika Okada takes on Swerve Strickland hoping to continue his 516 day reign. After several years apart we finally get to see Adam Copeland & Christian Cage teaming together to take on Kip Sabian & Killswitch, who has made his return to AEW after a year due to injury. 9 belt Mone puts her TBS Championship on the line against Alex Windsor, Bozilla and Persephone. The co-main event of the evening will see winner of the Men's Casino gauntlet MJF taking on "Hangman" Adam Page for the right to call himself 2x AEW World champion. The night rounds out with a lights out steel cage match where Darby Allin, Will Ospreay, Hiroshi Tanahashi and The Golden Lovers (Kenny Omega & Kota Ibushi) take on the team of The Death Riders (Jon Moxley & Claudio Castagnoli), The Young Bucks and Gabe Kidd, we are sure to see a lot of carnage and blood in this main event.

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And you know. All right. What is up y'all? It is Brother Pyro. And joining me today for a W'S Forbidden Door, my co-host on wrestling, crossroads Land and Seal. Welcome back, DeRio. And how's it going? Today we're gonna do something a lot really special with this one. I think it being a hybrid of an A EW and a. Uh. New Japan. New Japan. Thank you. And sprinkle in a little CMLL, right? Uh, I think if I can make it work. I think I'm gonna upload this episode and our recap for Forbidden Door to both channel.'cause I think that would be a lot of fun. Oh, I think so. Um, so I know we're recording a bit early. Given collision tonight. Still don't know what more they might add.'cause Tony Conn loves to do some last minute additions. Not saying something. I'm trying to be nice here. I'm trying not to rag all over the company. Oh, I'm, yeah. I'm gonna try my hardest. All right, so with that being said, let's start us off. Why don't you bring us in? Alright, well, we'll start off with the, uh, new Japan, the IWGP World Heavyweight Championship match. We have Zach Saber Jr. Taking on Nigel McGinnis. Uh, we got here because there was a, uh, four-way technical match on a collision, and in that match, Nigel won the opportunity to take on Zach Saber Jr. Dude, to think last year was his first. Last year, this, this time last year, we're talking all in London. That casino gauntlet first match in 14 years. Mm-hmm. Fast forward a year. Now he's got it shot at one of the biggest prizes in all of pro wrestling. Oh, I know. And it couldn't have happened to a better guy. I mean, his journey to get back to where he is right now is nothing short of inspirational. Oh no. Honestly, it's been watching his career the way I have. I really didn't get to watch a lot of his in Ring career. I've always known him as a commentator. So getting to see this, uh, outside of, you know, seeing the highlights that I have from when he was full-time active, getting to see him come back and, uh, continue to do something that he loves. It warm, absolutely warms my heart. Oh, I, yeah, I mean, I'm, I've known him mostly from when he was in TNA, um, wrestling over there, and he put on some, I forgot he was in TNA. Yeah, he put on some bangers over there. I know. Predominantly he was in, uh. Ring of honor. Yes. And I, I know I didn't get to really watch much of that career. No. His Ring of Honor stuff was really good as well. Especially his matches with, uh, Danielson were just the stuff of Legends and Ring of Honor. Oh yeah, dude. Like last year, that rivalry that he had with Danielson actually stemmed from my career is different because of Yep. Because of you, because of injury. I should be where you are. Mm-hmm. So to see him fight back after 14 years. Uh, from that set injury to get back here is, is gonna be amazing. Oh, I agree. Now, going into the predictions here, um, almost everybody is on board with, uh, Zach Saber except for Flash. He is gonna be going with NIJ one. That one? Yeah. No, that one really caught me off guard when. Uh, looking at this,'cause I know he's not super familiar with either guy. I wonder if that this was just a throw a name to throw a name. That's a good possibility. But I do wanna pick your brain as to why, why Mr. SB or the sj? Well, with, with, uh, saber, he is probably the best technician in the world right now in any single wrestling promotion and plus, um. I just don't see them taking the, uh, new Japan title off of a guy from New Japan and putting it on an a EW guy. Would you really be surprised though? I would not be surprised, but at the same time, I don't see it. Just like I don't see Tony Kahn ever putting any one of his titles on a person from another promotion. I was gonna say,'cause you say that, but like, let's. Let's, let's break some stuff down. We've had Moxley in a EW as IWGP World Champion, but he also had a contract with IW. He also had the new Japan contract. Okay. We've also, we're Okay then we're gonna go with Mercedes Monet, who is currently holding like nine titles. Yeah. She just won her ninth one yesterday. Outside of the TBS title, which is the only a EW branded one. That's fair. But I mean, there's possibly And isn't one of them from New Japan? Yes, she has one of, she has, uh, one of the new Japan belts and she would not under contract with a W So again, would we really be surprised? Would not be surprised. But I just don't see it. I don't, I don't see it for the reason being with Nigel not being a full-time, a full-time guy with him. Primarily on commentary. I just don't think that that is a good look no for, for your champion. No. Like you're gonna want to put it, have it on somebody that's gonna be able to defend it regularly and be able to really keep up in the ring. Not saying Nigel can't, but again, him being as up there in age as he is, he's, I'm gonna injuries kind of cost him his prime. I, I, I, I'm with you and I don't see it happening, but you and I don't see it happening for much different reasons, correct. I agree. Alright, going into, uh, our next match Triple Threat elimination tagged match for the a EW tag team titles, we have Bandido and Brody, Brody King, or, uh, as it's come to be known, Broido Broido. We have FTR and we have the hurt business walking in as champions. Uh, we had an eliminator tournament, uh, to determine number one contenders with BROIDO and FTR meeting in the finals. That match ending, uh, I don't remember if it was time limit draw or double count out time limit draw, but resulting in Tony Khan announcing it'll be a three-way eliminator. F uh, for these tag titles and how convenient. I mean, yeah, I 100% am really looking forward to this match. Uh, Hertz Syndicate has done really well since arriving in a EW. I do wish their partnership with MJF would've lasted a little longer. Not gonna lie, that was really entertaining. Oh, that was very entertaining. But just like a lot of things in a EW, something that becomes very entertaining, they drop it pretty quickly. Uh, FTR one of the best tag teams in pro wrestling today, I'm gonna die on that hill. Well, I, I'd even go say one of the best tag teams in pro wrestling history. Easily their best team on the roster. Mm-hmm. Uh, and this again, speaking of things that are entertaining, Brody King and Bandido being the tag team we didn't know we needed. Yeah. Has given me freaking life. My guy, oh, they've been putting on bangers and that was ma in these eliminator matches. But yeah, look, I love the how convenient aspect that you had. Um, I can see this playing out in a number of different ways for the sake of the story that, um, we're progressing towards. Christian Cage and cope with their rivalry with FTR? Yes. That started back cope's, starting back at Dynasty Christian, kind of being added to the mix recently. Yes. Uh, going into predictions, you and Twisted went FTR. Cauldron and Flash are ba Ando and I know the, I know the team I gave initially, but you know what, we're gonna be a little split three ways'cause I'm going with the hurt syndicate to retake. Okay. Fair enough. I know, I know who I said, but thinking about it, here's how I can see it playing out.'cause I'm gonna defend my argument for a second. Sure. Broido is just too new to, uh. And I don't think they've solidified themselves as a TAG team well enough yet to justify putting the titles on me. Makes sense. I love FTR. You know that they're gonna get another shot and reign with those titles at some point in the future. But again, given the rivalry with COPE and Christian,'cause we know how both of those men like to operate. I can see them somehow getting involved, costing f uh, being and being the reason FTR, you know, loot focus. Costing them the match. I can, I, I see, I see the point on that one right there. But I also think that, you know, with uh, COPE and Christian, they got some business to handle a little bit later on in the show. So, I mean, they might not necessarily get involved in the finish on this particular match, but I see FTR depending on where this match lands on the card though,'cause I can see this happening later on the card than Christian Cage at Copes match. Um, as well. Yeah, so I can see that still playing a factor, just like I can also see FTR getting involved with Edge, or I'm sorry, with COPE and Christian's match mm-hmm. As well. Right. But, and I think that's just gonna add more fuel to the fire that is that rivalry. And I, I can see that. But also with the next big one gov all out taking place in Toronto, what better thing to sit there and add to that particular match?'cause you know, we're getting to FTR and COPE and Christian Oh, exactly. That's exactly what I, but to put the belts on the line in Toronto, that's where I'm thinking that they're gonna go with. Okay. Okay. I didn't realize that they were gonna do that in Toronto. Yeah, it's in Toronto. All Out is in Toronto. That's gonna be awesome. Yes. Um, yeah, no, I, I actually didn't realize that, but now that I know that little bit of information, I think that's gonna be fun to, to really play on. We're gonna have to just wait and see what happens with this one. Yeah, I agree. But who do you think gets eliminated first though? That's a great question. I think the first team out is going to be her syndicate. Really, I think it, I think about it, it's old school ECW psychology. Like if there is a three-way match, like perfect example of this is when Taz was getting ready to leave the company, he was put in a three-way dance against Mike awesome. And Meato Tanaka. Mm-hmm. And he was the very first person eliminated in that match at the very beginning of the show. And everybody was shocked. And by taking the champ out, now you're building the anticipation of, yes, we are gonna have a new tag team champion at this point, and you know, who, who is it really gonna be? Okay. Okay. I see that. Yeah, I, I see that. What about you? I, I was gonna go with Broido. I, I, I think just again, with how new of a team they are, I think it's gonna be like a slight miscommunication that's going to, going to cost them this chance. Yeah, I can see that. I can see that very easily, but it's definitely gonna be a fun match to watch. Oh yeah. Alright. Going into the next match on the card we have Kyle Fletcher defending the TNT Championship against jmu. Takahashi. Now, Takahashi announced back in May that he was going to be fighting. At Forbidden Door this year, no one that really knew exactly who he was gonna be fighting. Nobody knew who he was gonna be taking on, well, in an eight person tag. He happened to show up as, uh, one of the mystery opponents to Kyle Fletcher, the Young Bucks, and also the rest of the Don Callis family member, uh, Josh Alexander. And, um, Takahashi actually pinned Alexander at that point and made his intentions known that he wanted Kyle Fletcher and Kyle Fletcher's. Like, you know what? I want anybody from New Japan, and I'll take you. And so I think this is gonna be a really good match. I mean, Kyle Fletcher has really come into his own ever since, breaking away from Osprey and, uh, the, the empire, so to speak. And so this is just gonna solidify him even more as a possibly top guy, whether he wins or loses. Oh, yeah. I think this solidifies his career regardless. He's definitely become a great single star, and I hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate. Hate. Hmm. Tell me how you really feel. Loathed Depi can't stand giving this man credit for anything that he does, but Kyle's Kyle Fletcher's singles success is thanks in large part to the tutelage that is Don. Callous. I would agree wholeheartedly on that one. Don Callous has really helped shape and mold the young, such a young talent.'cause Kyle Fletcher is still relatively young. Oh yeah. Very easily. And again, I can't stand giving Don call any type of credit. If so, if I can avoid it. I will, but this is one of those situations that I really can't, Kyle Fletcher doesn't become this proto star or this big rye doesn't have this big rise. Isn't this superstar to be? Mm-hmm. Because I'm not gonna say he's quite that superstar next face, whatever. At this moment, but he's well on his way. And if he doesn't align with Don Callis, I don't think we get here. At least not this quickly and not this aggressively. Oh, no, no, we do not. And, uh, let's also not take into, let's also take into account, you know. Uh, Takahashi in this match. Takahashi is definitely one of the best, uh, athletes, one of the best wrestlers in the world. Um, not, doesn't get enough credit for, no, he doesn't. He's, he's a very fly under the radar kind of, kind of star. Mm-hmm. But we also have to realize he had, with that being said, though, we also gotta acknowledge the work that he's done and how well rounded and. Uh, I'm trying to, he's a very well-rounded and well-respected and well traveled wrestler that's there. We thank you. Thank you. Yeah. So moving into predictions on this one. Um, it is four on one. Now, normally I'm the one on the island by myself, but hope strangely enough, over the last few les and pay-per-view, I have not really been on an island by myself. Uh, so one person is taking Takahashi and that is flash. And the reason why is he just doesn't like Kyle Fletcher and doesn't want him to win. I feel like that is fair, but I think again, with Don Callis being in his corner, always having something up his sleeve, Fletcher has the edge especially'cause with I Taka Hashi setting, he, this is pretty much gonna be his last. European show. His last London show. Yeah. Him and Tahashi both said that. What, what sense does it make here knowing that a EW really is wanting to keep London and the O2 arena in such a heavy rotation every year? Yeah. And if they do pull that trigger out of it, I don't think I can, I don't see him holding it very long, so I can't justify Fletcher dropping that title. No. No, I can, I, I don't see Fletcher dropping the title at all, but it is going to be a hell of a match to take a look at. Alright, going into our next match, a EW Women's World Champion Timeless Tony Storm, defend against Ring of Honors World Women's Champion, the fallen goddess known as Athena, about freaking time. Dude, we have only been building to this for God knows how long. Athena has proven that she can hold a company on her shoulders and be the face of a company and a division. Mm-hmm. She, uh, earned this opportunity by winning that, uh, gal, the casino, g battle Royal back head all in. And after a few weeks of teasing, she did announce. Yo, I'm cashing in at Forbidden Door.'cause why not cash it in on one of the biggest stages that a EW has to offer? Yep. And as much as I would love to say timeless got this with the crowd behind her like she did. Was it last year? Last year? Or was it the year before? Uh, the year before. Because LA last year she lost it to, uh, Mariah May. Mariah May, but the year before she came out victorious. Mm-hmm. Against, I think it was Sreya actually. Yes. Um, going into our predictions right away and then we can continue to break this down. Uh, myself and Twisted are going Athena. Timing just feels right. Everybody else says to timeless. Tony Storm. I want, I wanna know before I continue to break down why I went Athena and I think I can speak for twisted. When I do go into my reasonings, I want to know why you have the champ ticket. So I. It didn't really want to go with Tony Storm, to be perfectly honest. I mean, we've had this discussion before where I personally think Tony Storm is getting a little stale on her persona right now. I mean, it's just, it's becoming a one trick pony. I mean, yes, it's worded differently, but it's just how many times can you hear the same dribble every single time she comes out? But be that as it may, she hasn't gotten outside of, you know, a couple years ago when she beat Soraya, she lost last year, uh, in London, and now I just think that they're not gonna have her lose two years in a row in London. That's all. Okay. I mean, last year was, you really couldn't go wrong. No. But with how over Mariah may became, I think it was hard not to listen to the fans last year versus in this instance, I feel storyline wise, character development wise, like all signs, point to Athena, again, you're not gonna have her hold this ring. Hold a company title for as long as she has without having some kind of plan or without, uh, giving her something more. In that aspect, you're not gonna, you know, build up this moment, this match. You're not gonna have her on top of being the longest rating Women's champion in Ring of Honor history. I'd be a very short list to really compare it to. Hasn't been around that long. No. You also aren't gonna give her the opportunity to now win the, the, the rights to challenge for the title if there really wasn't a Sure, a sure thing for her. If, if, if I'm making any sense to you. No, that makes sense. I get where you're going with that. And with Athena, I mean, I agree. She's proven that she can hold a company on her back. She definitely does not belong in Ring of Honor. For as long as she has had, she definitely should have been featured on A-W-T-V-A heck of a lot more. And honestly, like I, I think this is now the way that you get to it.'cause we're getting to that. We're seeing that more and more like we're seeing her featured on a w more and more since winning this, uh, this opportunity. Yeah, and I think this is how you really solidify her as. As they start on your women's roster in a, in a time where a w your women's roster is kind of lacking, you're missing a lot of big names, whether it be because of injury or, uh, personal time off or whatever the case may be. Bad booking. Uh, Tony Storm hasn't had a, uh, a big name opponent really in a while. No, I mean, yeah, she had Mercedes at. All in. Very glad Mercedes didn't win that, but I, that's where I thought that was going. But outside of Mercedes and Athena, where, where, where have we gone with notable names to challenge for the woman's title? And that's'cause they also have it built up any notable names to really go the title. That's, that's my point. They have the opportunity with Megan Bain. Who Megan Bain looks like a million bucks and could have a great program. I mean, they almost struck. Fire with Harley Cameron and it kind of fizzled after that. They dropped it for almost no reason. So I mean, they got plenty of opportunity to build up the damn division. It's just that for one reason or another, they can't just get past looking at either Tony or Mercedes. That's it. And, and, and, and again, my thing is like, like we said, bad booking on their part. I also just with. The character itself now running stale, this tidal reign really isn't as entertaining or as exciting or as elevated as her first reign was. True. Very true. And I think we, the fans just want not her. Oh, no. Yeah, anybody. It, it's getting to the point where it's, uh, felt like back in the day where it was anybody but Roman. And that's anybody but Roman, anybody. Like, we've had a lot of those. Anybody but you moments? Yes. Roman going into the women's division for the longest time in, uh, wwe, e. Anybody but Charlotte? Yeah. Anybody but Tony. Agreed. Agreed. But I just unfortunately don't see them taking the belt off her right now. I, I, I am, I am willing to, uh. S give Athe of the benefit here and she walks out of London. Double Champion. Uh, well, I hope so. Here's hope into that. But moving through into the next match that we got going on, we have got the unified championship, um, with. OTA taking on Swerve Strickland. Now, how did we get here? We got here by, at all in, uh, swerve and Osprey took on the young bucks and, uh, with one of the stipulations being that if the Bucks lost, they would lose all their EVP powers. Uh, swerve and Osprey took care of business bucks, no longer have any of that power, and EDA basically came out and was like, Hey, you took away my, uh, elite buddies. Powers from them. And so I don't really like you and I think I'm gonna take you out. And Sws like, word. Let's go. Uh, I will say I am loving, loving what they are doing with the, ah. With this storyline. Yes. They, they, they built a lot of good stuff. This is a lot of layers going into this whole thing. So, I mean, this is actually some really good story, dude, making references to when they were in TNA is generation Me. Mm-hmm. Max and Jeremy. But yo, like, the way that they have gone about messing with Nick and Matt has been. Top tier level trolling and I am here for all of it. Yeah. Taking away the pyro, I mean the Titan Tron, uh, basically showing them getting, you know, kicked all over the place by swerve in Osprey. I mean, it's been beautiful. No music. No music. I mean, the ra, the entrance door didn't go all the way up one time and they had to crawl underneath it just to get moving. Dude, dude. Everything about this has been beautiful and I don't wanna see them back in their EVP power, at least not onscreen. No, no, no. I, I, I'm sure they still do have the power backstage, but like, on using it as their onscreen persona, I prefer them for them to, you know, back off of that. Yeah. And they're doing a really good job of that now. I agree. I agree. This is me and we, I know we've talked about this before, but I genuinely feel like if you are in a position of power, just'cause you have it doesn't mean one, you should abuse it. Look at Cody when he was one of the EVPs. Mm-hmm. He did a really good job of balancing out his, his control and his in ring character. Same thing with, uh, omega. Omega's doing a really good job of that. Yeah, I know Jericho is kind of part of that group as well a little bit in terms of like having, you know, his creative control and having a say in what goes on in the product as one of the founding members. And you can see he's, he does a pretty decent job of balance. Yeah. Sometimes a little more in his own favor than. It should be, but I'm not gonna, you know, talk about a man that's not, that hasn't been around in a while. No. And who knows if he's even gonna be around at a w at the end of the year as they've been talking about. Yeah. But that's a different story for a different time. But, uh, go ahead and bring us into the predictions. So going into the predictions, uh, myself and you are going with Okada. Everybody else is going with Swerve. I. Love swerve. I would love to see him hold some gold again. It's been way too long. It's been about a year, hasn't it? About since when he lost to Danielson at all. It in London. In London. It's been a year. That was a badass match though. I still, I was still go back and watch that anyways. Oh, that was great. But again, with, uh, and I know they're, they're gonna be part of a match later. But that, uh, lights out, steel cage, patch. I do feel like in some fashion the books are gonna find a way to get involved. I, and that's what's gonna be, that's going to be what hurts sw, chances of winning. I, I would agree with that one right there. And Ada has just been, he's been, he's been, he isn't, he isn't the rainmaker that we once No knew new and appreciated and respected, but also the way they have booked him though to look like he is essentially this kind of Gods figure that really,'cause think about it. Mm-hmm. He really shouldn't have one at all in. No, he shouldn't have That should have been Kenny's moment. Yeah. But this is one of those, I'm gonna flex my creative control. And I get that they have such a, they have such a deep rooted history. I be it only having a, A handful of matches. Yeah. The rivalry stems from just beyond the ring at this point. Yeah. Yeah. Which is kinda stupid. Kind of shush. Shush. Okay. Sh. But like, I don't get why we're in this position. I don't, I don't get why Alta is in the position that he is right now. It just doesn't, the only thing I can think of is why they still have the unified title on him going in is'cause they're getting ready to do their, you know, continental classic again, and they want him in that one. Um. To sit there and just defend, you know, the, the strap and I get it. Okay. With the blurring the titles, are we still getting that Continental Classic check? I have, I have a feeling that we are gonna be getting the Continental class or like, are we gonna get like a different variance to that or, see that's why I, that's why they shouldn't have called this the unified title at this point. They should have just dropped the international one. Just said, okay, this is still the now Continental Classic, right? Like title, not calling it the Unified plus. That's also so damn confusing with the fact of the unified title. Usually you're thinking of like the big world ones, but we're talking mid card titles, two mid card titles. I mean that were essentially the same title. It makes no sense, but I feel that they're still gonna have the Continental Classic, and that's why they kept it on eda. And that's why I still feel that they're gonna keep it on EDA after this. That's like if I took, and I'm gonna go with, Hmm. I'm, I'm trying to think of the best way to put this because I'm trying to think of like co other companies and their titles. That'd be like me taking the ex division title from TNA and what was once the Cruiserweight title in WWE e to blur them like they're the same title. Or we can sit there and just use WWE e example.'cause I see where you're going with this. That'd be taking the Women's Intercontinental title and the Women's United States title. Combining'em and saying, this is the unified champion. Like, like I could see that working with your Women's World Championships or the Men's World Championships. Please don't ever do that again though. No, I, I'm liking the whole two different sets of titles for per one set of titles per show kind of thing. Yeah, we didn't like it when they had the tag titles hooked up. I wasn't entirely mad at it because of the way they've been booking that at that time. Their lackluster divisions. Tag divisions on both shows, but now, but now they've got a match. But now that they've been able to expand a bit more and are booking them properly, I'm okay with them being separated. Sure. But All right. Cope and Christian Cage taking on Chris Kip Sabian and Kill Switch. Yes, it should have been Nick Wayne, but Nick Wayne D did come down with an injury. Uh, broken foot now being replaced by Til Switch, or as I will forever call him, he's Lu Source. Yep. And congrats for him to being able to come back after being away for almost a year with double pneumonia in both of his lungs. Yeah. No, dude, I am so happy that he was able to come back. It, it really did. Like I didn't think he was gonna, I didn't think he was gonna come back. Did think he was gonna come back, uh, anytime soon. Not, not as quickly as he did. So the fact that he was able to be at that, thank you Jesus. Uh, but this really just going back and forth with the, the, the patriarchy kind of turning their back on Christian cage after their loss on all in, uh, coping, being able to make the save once, uh, the beat down started and FTR got involved more recently, uh, post. The strict, uh, the Cope and Stokely match. Once that Beatdown happened on cope, Christian kind of returning the favor of, I'm gonna play Captain Save, bro. Mm-hmm. Come save you. Not happy about it, but he still have saved him. Uh, them finally giving each other the embrace instead of go yourself or go find yourself. Uh. Now we, after, I think it's been about 11 years plus since we've seen them as a TAG team, I think it's uh, 14, been 14 years since we've seen them as a tag and first time since 2011. I'm really excited for this match. For anybody that doesn't know what COPE and Christian can do as a TAG team, please, please go and educate yourselves. They are probably one of the most decorated TAG teams. In all of tag team history, I think they're behind only the Dudley's and Harvey's, like I said, one of the most, and mind you that's saying something, considering neither one of them has really held TAG team gold, at least together outside of the slash wwe. True. Think about it. You're, you're talking. You know the Hardee's who have held Ring of Honor Tag Gold, TNA Tag Gold, triple A Tag Gold like they've held tag gold all over the world. You're talking the Ws. W-C-W-E-C-W-T-N-A. Wwe. Wwe. New Japan. New Japan, like decorated TAG teams. They've, they are probably, if you are talking Mount Rushmore of TAG teams. Edging Christian are on that Mount Rushmore. If you're talking teams that help revolutionize and popularize tag team wrestling, you're not getting a name outside of Edging Christian. And if you are having these discussions and not including Ed and Christian or Adam Copeland and Christian mm-hmm. You don't know wrestling? No. No. You don't know. They are definitely a very vital lich pin in the history of professional wrestling. It's, and I am loving, again, my childhood, kind of mm-hmm. Brought back to life here. Just provide just a little, just enough to make me want to pay attention to a EW on a more consistent basis, uh, going into. Uh, our predictions. You and I seem to have forgotten this going into the show. Oops. We can give ours live as soon as I read off Cauldron's flashes and Twisted'cause everybody there is on the same page. It's gonna Adam and Christian Cage and you know what? I'm gonna kind of side with that. I'm, I'm siding with that as well. All right. So a unanimous front, Adam Copeland and Christian Cage to pick up the dub today. One, they have the experience as a team. Do I feel like tempers might still be a little touchy considering they've been at each other's throats for a little while now? Yes. But do I see them kind of overcoming that due to their long history as a tag team? Due to the fact that they know each other so well that they are so close in and outside of the ring. Yes. Experience is going to be a key factor in this match. And like I said, there is very little tag teams with as much experience together. Yeah. And then cope and. Christian cake. Oh yeah. You're not gonna sit there and match up. The experience factor on that one. And kind of like we touched on a little bit before with All Out happening in Toronto, give them the win, give them the momentum. Have them built up to when they eventually take on FTR. I mean, it's gonna be as simple as that. No, that's going to be. Explosive. It's gonna be great. Alright, so moving into the next match. We have the TBS Championship at a fatal four-way. Uh, the current champion of everything in the universe right now. Mercedes, Monet, uh, taking on a W's. Alex Windsor, uh, CML L's, Persephone and Boz from New Japan. Uh, this is gonna be a pretty interesting match. I mean, uh, Alex win, uh, Windsor. Earned her spot by winning a, was it a triple threat match? I think it was. I believe so. Yeah. Triple threat match earned her way into that spot. Uh, CMML announced Persephone was gonna take part in it. Then New Japan just announced illa. They didn't really say why they put him in there. They were just like, Hey, we're putting him in a NIPS match. But this should be a very entertaining match, especially with the contrast aisles. And if people have not seen illa yet, oh, they are in for a shoot. I will. I will say I am very. Unfamiliar. It was a fatal four way fatal. Four way. Okay. Because it was Alex WinDor, Billy starch, queen Ata and sky blue. That's right. Um, I will say I'm very unfamiliar with Mozilla's work, so I'm looking forward to this. Yeah, it's gonna be a great contrast in styles. Um, a lot of good in room work. I mean, and say what you want about Mercedes Monet, she does deliver on a big stage when it comes to matches and stuff like that. Yeah, but it's the. I am pretty much booked to win everything. Oh, I know, I know. That's why we're gonna, this is, is a, again, this is another example of anybody but you. Mm-hmm.'cause for the love of God, anybody but Mercedes. Well, going into some of the predictions right here, unfortunately, you, me and, uh, flash are all on the Mon Monet train. Because we'll get into that in a moment. Um, we have, um, twisted going with Persephone. Duh. I think that's,'cause that name holds a really special place in her heart. Okay. Right now. Right. And we're just gonna, we're gonna go with that. We're gonna go with, and Cauldron is going with Alex Windsor. I think, uh, cauldron is kind of like anybody but Monet at this point. I, I, I think so too. Which is perfectly fine with me'cause anybody but Monet. Yeah. We're noticing a theme with the women's champions in aaw. Anybody but this person, anybody but the champion. Yeah. And, but unfortunately I just don't see them because also when was the last time she really defended that TBS title? Uh, I think the last time she defended it was against, was it Ann Harley Cameron? Probably, I think it was against Harley because then there was the, uh, the women's tournament to sit there and, uh, the, uh, queen, the Owen Hart tournament. And she did defend the title there, and then she ended up earning the spot to go it to all in. And that's my thing is what, outside of giving her almost every title in almost every company. What have they really done with her champion? No, they haven't done anything really. Give somebody else an opportunity. Somebody that we're gonna see a little more frequently that's gonna be able to do something with that, uh, TBS title. You've done a great job in elevating it by name, but not by performance. No, I agree. But unfortunately, um, until they build somebody else up, which they're not capable of, or maybe hopefully Sky blue or Stat Lander comes back into accidentally, I would've loved for Sky Blue to be. In this match. Yeah. Instead of Alex WinDor, no disrespect. Or even maybe a former champion known as uh, Julia Hart. Julia Hart. Because like she's so over with the crowd and she did a really good job that first time around. I wouldn't mind seeing it again. I wouldn't mind either. Or maybe even a will a Nightingale putting in this matches. Yes. Oh my God. Somebody acknowledged the fact that Willow has been such a workhorse. Yeah. Give her some damn love. My God. Well, moving into next match, why don't you bring us something to you next match. Ooh. Ooh. Match you and I were talking about on the way up here to record hangman Adam Page defends his newly wound. A EW. World title against M-J-F-M-J-F technically wound this opportunity by winning the casino gauntlet. Back it all in. However, he's been a, after weeks of attacks on hangman and messing with hangman, hangman, finally like, dude, if you and you know, and hangman telling him, if you want this title, you're gonna have to cash in that contract. If you want this title, you're gonna have to cash in that contract. Mm-hmm. MJF being the ultimate heel that he is. Because he is the ultimate heel. He is right now, uh, after him and Rico, she kidnapped Mark Briscoe and kind of manipulating a lot of this in his favor. You're gonna agree to my terms. I will burn this man alive if you do not agree to agree to my terms. I don't have to use my contract being one of those terms Champion's advantage. Thrown out the window. Yep. Dqs, g dq and count out will now count for the title change, which is going to be fun. It is. And'cause it's not something you see very often. I, I'm thinking, going into our predictions and what is going to be a surefire hard hitting, hitting match, you, me. Cauldron, go hangman, twisted flash. MJF. Now do I. Me predicting that he wins this match doesn't mean I don't see him. Me predicting a hangman walk, winning the match. Doesn't mean I don't still see MJF walking out his ship. No, I see where you're going with that one right there. Because MJF very easily could lose this match. Hangman's still so beat up and then MJ F signs the contract. Another match comes right after. There we go. Ref's still in the ring post match. Rick Oche will probably get involved. Let's be real post match. MJF with the help of ricochet, beat down Hing man, just a little more expending whatever little bit of energy he would have had left MJF not as fresh, but also not as beat down. Yeah. And in these types of matches, in this type of environment, it does also'cause the fact that he still has that contract in his back pocket. Oh, yeah. Well, all, he basically can have two title matches in one night. He can, he can, and, but this type of environment is more. Hangman style. We've seen how Hangman works in the No dq. Well, it's actually not a no dq. It's not a no DQ mess, but still, but it's still that type of wild unhinged environment that Hangman can sit there and find himself into. And I just don't see them taking the title off of him this soon after put after the rocket, they strapped onto him, dude. And honestly, like this version of Hangman is probably the best version of Hangman. We've had in a while. I want to see what they do with this. Right. I see. I Is it only his second reign? Please let it mean something with this new persona. I agree. I agree. And then what's probably gonna close out the show if this doesn't mean an event and close out the show, you kind of booked this ma, this card wrong. No, but there's a reason why I say this match might not, this next man is going to be the one that kind of closes out because the. Lights out, steel cage match. Now, usually when they have the net lights out match, that means it's unsanctioned. Unsanctioned matches at a EW usually are the ones that take place after all the cart happens. That's where I'm kind of saying that this is probably gonna close out the show, but on one side you're gonna have Darby Allen. Osprey Kane Hashi and the Golden Lovers versus the Death Riders, the Young Bucks and Gabe Kid. Now we got here in a lot of different ways. A lot of things happened to sit there and kind of put this match into play, we had the death riders, you know, beaten down. Um, I forget who it was that, uh, it was an appointed Moxley had that. Then after the Match, Moxley and the death riders were just beating the crap out of him. Out comes Darby to make the save. And Darby, Darby Bean Darby, you know? Yeah. And trying to get, uh, a glutton for punishment. A glutton for punishment is an understatement. Um, but then he comes out, helps do some of the beat down the bucks. Then some make their way into it because the death rider in the Bucks are now kind of all buddy buddy. Very loose alliance, very, very loose alliance especially. Um, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna quote WWE for this one in your women's tag team Champions. They're not friends. They're allies of convenience. Agreed. I agree with that one. And so, because the books are in it, well, that's where the golden lovers kind of come into play. They're like, uh, hold on a second guys, how you doing? And then last but not least, getting ton of Hashi as the last mystery opponent for them and just the reaction. From the Death Riders and from the Bucks was just pure, you know, gold on that one. And, you know, twisted even brought together that, uh, she loved how this whole match, uh, started to come together. Her favorite part also was finding out, um, that TV was mocks finding out that teen a EW got Tona Hashi because Mocks hasn't really been able to get the best of Tonah Hashi in any company that he's ever worked, uh, worked in. That is. Valid. Yeah. And so this match is just gonna be pure chaos. It is going to be belts bell. You're gonna moxley. Iss probably gonna bleed before he goes in the ring. I can at least see him making it to the ring. Okay, fine. And then he bangs his head against the steel cage as he's entering it and there's his busted open spot. But he's definitely gonna be the first bleeder That's real. He's gonna be the first bleeder. Right. And so I'm excited. This is gonna be pure chaos. This is gonna be, you know, typical a EW blood and guts type of match that they've been known for over the last several years, or ever since the inception of the company because they wanted to make themselves a little bit different because, well, let's face it, WWE doesn't really do all that blood and guts types of match. No, rightfully so. Because sometimes you wanna say, but let's be real. Blood And Guts was just their answer to war games. Yeah, it was. They just couldn't take, have the name. No, they couldn't. Uh, but going into the predictions, uh, it looks like Flash and Ma Yep. Myself, we are going Death riders baby. Everybody else is going team. A EW. Uh, so pyro. Why are we going a EW here? Uh, again, they're the whole story behind, you know, my mock losing the title and whatever it is, you, they're not team a w trying not to let them hold this company hostage. You've already started kind of, uh, this is that you've made it, you started making that work. Bucks without the EVP Powers death rider, without the title. You're just, I think it's, uh, it's, it is gonna be a slow breakdown for the death writers and the books before you build them back up because at, at this, at that point, if you're just gonna put'em right back into a momentum, uh, swing upward. Mm-hmm. What was the point in having Oxley lose the world title? What was the point in having the Bucks lose that ev ev that match for, uh, EVP control? You know, like. True. I see it. I see where you're going with this, but in my estimation, the best thing for A is to try to sit there and get a little bit more shine back onto the death riders and a little bit onto the bucks. Because in order for you to have a baby face, you need solid, credible heels. I mean, these. Win or lose, they, they're all gonna be the death riders and the bucks are solid, credible fuel. But then that's two pay-per-view in a row that the death riders and Bucks lost in separate matches and everything else like that. You don't wanna sit there, have a pigeon hole like that. Don't think, I don't, I don't think it loses them any real credibility.'cause even after they've lost the matches, their matches at all in you saw they were still, you know, coming up doing what they do, beating people up. Wanting back, trying to take back that control. Yeah. I just think you gotta, you gotta break'em down before you can give'em that chance to regain that fair. I can, I, I see that like, like, like they, they say that there's nothing worse, worse or scarier than a man with nothing to lose. There's still a lot to lose for the death riders and for the books before they are put into that. I'm backed into a corner position now. Now with nothing to lose, I'm going to become even more so unhinged. I'm going to turn up my level of chaos. Okay. But I, I do also see a, the wild card in this match with Gabe Kid. Gabe Kid is gonna sit there and be able to bring something a little bit more to the table that the death riders, uh, have been kind of needing over the last couple of months actually. And so he is gonna be a nice big X factor and I think he's gonna be the one that kind of helps neutralize Tanah Hashi a little bit just because of their new Japan connection. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like that's a very, very solid, uh, statement. But as always, this a w show, even though it's, you know, quite a bit of matches that we have on there, you know, they're gonna be able to deliver. Let's just hope that they keep the car match times to less than five hours this time. I was gonna say, I would say this is. Not as bloated a card as we're used to. No. So I'm happy about that. But with that being said, I think that brings us through the match card. It does all of our predictions for AOWs forbid door. Um, so with that being said, we hope you guys enjoy the show, um, and we will be back later on with the recap. Sounds good. I like it.